Leif Haven – 4:07 PM
well hell aint we all
good god
lol
why is this happening
why did this happen

jared harvey – 4:08 PM
THE NEXT EVOLUTION OF ZOMBIES...BEAVERS

Leif Haven – 4:08 PM
i mean really

jared harvey – 4:08 PM
was it ever not happening
did it ever stop happening
is it not not not happening now

Leif Haven – 4:09 PM
u rite
it's happening all around us
/ it is us

jared harvey – 4:10 PM
it is us

Leif Haven – 4:12 PM
so my recommendation to you is
send him the longest thing that you would be willing to have published by him
i send him a collection of fiction and my mfa thesis
OVER THE YEEERS
i think i might send him this tract manuscript
because nothing bro
nothing mattress

jared harvey – 4:14 PM
MATTRESS CANNOT BE CREATED NOR DESTROYED
alright i'm sending them bullshit now

Leif Haven – 4:16 PM
destroyed fortress reappears
peanut butter oven
graveyard drug party
the master's bedroom is worth spending a night in
you will see this dog before you die

jared harvey – 4:17 PM
srsly
best titles ever

Leif Haven – 4:17 PM
you oughtta go home
cool death
meat step lively
you could just write a book of thee oh sees title
s
and send it to them
for um
idk
meet the seed

jared harvey – 4:18 PM
meat the cleavers

Leif Haven – 4:22 PM
AA Warm Breeze
Corprophagist (A Bath Perhaps)
is an amazing title

jared harvey – 4:24 PM
fuck god
perfec


Leif Haven – 7:04 PM
what did you send to the mainline

jared harvey – 7:04 PM
youryellowgiraffeshirt
and then in a few days if (when) nothing, i'll send chronicles
and then never again

Leif Haven – 7:10 PM
maybe i should send him
seven million words of auto blaguing
The Harley-Davidson Ultra Low: High Quality Bagger

jared harvey – 7:12 PM
High Quality Beggar

Leif Haven – 7:12 PM
Fresh Toil™
this shits really making me want to jump off something high more than usual today

jared harvey – 7:13 PM
ugh
you near done
?

Leif Haven – 7:13 PM
oh i got a couple left
i'm not like worried about it
they sprung a selection of assignments from another team, so it took a little longer than usual

jared harvey – 7:14 PM
effers

Leif Haven – 7:14 PM
ß˚∆ƒ¬˜å*on me*߬∆˜çˆœø

jared harvey – 7:14 PM
wow
that's beautiful

Leif Haven – 7:15 PM
it usually only takes me a few hours, and i'm sort of consciously pushing it into the evening as an effort to start drinking later and therefore less

jared harvey – 7:15 PM
ah

Leif Haven – 7:15 PM
that could also be making me want to å∆¬∂∆åøπjump off something߈∑≥嘈

jared harvey – 7:15 PM
very wise

Leif Haven – 7:15 PM
or jump into a bottle of gin
giving myself essentially all morning to try to write and edit feels luxurious and somehow obscene
and hard
like it's a long time to just try to do that for me 

jared harvey – 7:17 PM
that's great though
how does it feel

Leif Haven – 7:18 PM
how do you really feel
idk. it feels like i should be getting more done
but i did write 1,200 words today -- and i probably deleted at least 6-800, so it's more like a gross of 2,000 and a net of 1,200

jared harvey – 7:19 PM
that's 60% of 100% profit
that's great actually

Leif Haven – 7:20 PM
i had this stupid thought
that i don't have with poetry books, where i thought
"i've put all this time into this, but what if it's just... bad. what if it just sucks. would i even be able to tell?"

jared harvey – 7:21 PM
that's interesting
i wonder why that is
although i relate to it
with poetry books i'm always like
who cares
i don't care
i'm even lately like

Leif Haven – 7:21 PM
right. that's what i'm saying i guess

jared harvey – 7:21 PM
i like this
but with essays for example
papers
i lack confidence in those
fiction i don't often write

Leif Haven – 7:22 PM
right, essays are the same

jared harvey – 7:22 PM
but when i write prose in general i usually feel good about it

Leif Haven – 7:23 PM
journalism/non-fiction are like splitting the difference -- either i don't care enough to care, or i care too much to even like do it and making it public or submitting or publishing is really nerve wracking 
much moreso than poetry for me
fiction usually falls in the latter category i think
hence the 150k words of fiction that i haven't really submitted much

jared harvey – 7:24 PM
right
do you think it has anything to do with fiction/prose being more a medium of communication
being considered that way, i mean
and so there's more "at stake" for the writer/communicator/origin of said communications

Leif Haven – 7:25 PM
yes
i actually thought about this mere moments ago on my bike ride from bica to home
because i never grew out of (because duh) some sort of nihilism / existentialism about whether communication is even you know
possible
wittgenstein, et al
and fiction is like trying to maybe do or say something
where as poetry is just, you know bullshit for bullshit's sake
or whatever
i don't remember why i was thinking about this just moments ago actually
which is as appropriate as anything

jared harvey – 7:30 PM
not even yr thoughts can communicate themselves to you

Leif Haven – 7:30 PM
right.

jared harvey – 7:31 PM
for me it's sort of like
people sort of assume poems are beyond their reach
they still think it's communicating something
but most people think it's beyond them and don't even try
so for the poet it's kind of like
green light
with fiction it's different
accessibility is expected
the opposite is often meant with contempt
met
i meant met
the assumption people make for both still is that something is trying to be communicated
people are stupid

Leif Haven – 7:32 PM
yeah

jared harvey – 7:32 PM
what jars me about academic writing
is that i am actually trying to communicate something
but i still resist trying to communicate that something
in the end
which is why i like wittgenstein spivak derrida benjamin et al.
who seem to employ a certain intentional self-sabotage
or opacity

Leif Haven – 7:34 PM
because there is fundamentally nothing to communicate / no communication
there is only the void
to jump into
yeah it's funny. i feel that the fiction i usually like opens up the void

jared harvey – 7:37 PM
yeah same
your fiction is very good
i am confident in it

Leif Haven – 7:37 PM
i guess the fiction that makes the most sense to me works more like poetry anyway
it's just approached differently / there's a different kind of scale
i'm not sure what i'm saying, i guess maybe that plays into this thought, where i'm like 'if this were poetry, simple juxtaposition, metonymy, non-sequiturs, make up the logic of the thing'

jared harvey – 7:39 PM
right
the thing is, apart from the zurita thing - but also a part of it, in the sort of poem-asides that interrupt the zurita thing and that i number page 0 - the poems i've been drawn to writing lately have been more like fiction
or narrative, anyway
narrativity is interesting to me i guess
and the sort of artificiality of it, in terms of constructing a sort of history
among all the possible histories that one can construct
one often chooses one that's meant to replace and deny all others
all narrations to me appear to work that way
and making it poetic i think problematizes the self-naturalizing function of narrative
which interests me i guess
but those poems i am less confident about submitting and publishing etc.

Leif Haven – 7:44 PM
yes, i understand that
but it's also probably a good to fair bet that they would be easier to publish
i think narrativity is interesting when it's ruptured or broken
that's what i enjoy about Bolaño, or Delillo, or you know, just about anyone, where narrative doesn't work

it works but it doesn't work in the way you want it to and that leaves you falling into something

jared harvey – 7:46 PM
right

Leif Haven – 7:46 PM
it's also how narrative can be good in poetry i think,
and how good short stories function

jared harvey – 7:46 PM
i think that's why they've obsessed us in the past
because of the story doesn't quite end
then you the reader never leave it

Leif Haven – 7:46 PM
or like, there is no story. the story is void. it's like they're saying that narrative itself is just illusory or some kind of elaborate fallacy, 
in gravity's rainbow it works in a less lopped off way, and works by way of overloading you with discursion, so that the narrative sort of explodes
rather than dissolves, or implodes, or self annihilates 

jared harvey – 7:48 PM
right
i still feel that way about 2666
like, what is the point of that book
what is the primary story

Leif Haven – 7:48 PM
right
the compelling part
is that there is no story

jared harvey – 7:49 PM
critics try to find archimboldi
that's the goal stated from the outset
and from the outset it begins to fall away
it's not linear so much as it is a bell curve
but the center is more a nadir rather than a peak
and the nadir has the most gravity
and what's at the nadir but 300 pages of brutality and violence against women
after getting "past" that
the story has no point anymore
you never really move past that trauma
it's as if narrative is just a flimsy effort at moving past hell

Leif Haven – 7:51 PM
right, well, that's mirrored in the life of 'archimboldi' as well
who emerges from wwii to be a writer

jared harvey – 7:52 PM
right and that's the other thing, the sheer amount of narratives within the larger narrative
some of which are fractal-like
such as archimboldi becoming a writer
but archimboldi is himself jellyfish-like, writes from and about the void, formlessly
that's what compels him
other narratives have nothing to do with the Narrative
whadda shitshow

Leif Haven – 7:53 PM
how did this bullshit ever get published
unbelievable

jared harvey – 7:53 PM
srsly

Leif Haven – 7:53 PM
there's not even a story

jared harvey – 7:53 PM
i guess it helped that
he died

Leif Haven – 7:54 PM
i think it's funny in mein struggle
where noseguard is working on a novel
this might be in the second one
he shows it to someone he respects or something. maybe he has a publisher or editor already at this point, and they're just like, "This is terrible. There's no story. You've got to tell a story."

jared harvey – 7:54 PM
ah yeah that's in the first

Leif Haven – 7:55 PM
wink-wink-nod-nod

jared harvey – 7:56 PM
he also continually brings up the fact that he burned all his diaries and his notebooks
and yet here he is writing an unbelievably (literally, i do not believe you) meticulous account of his life
another reason not to believe him
is because he regularly says
i have a terrible memory
even, i never remember the things people have said to me
but there is so much dialogue in the book

Leif Haven – 7:57 PM
right

jared harvey – 7:57 PM
so the wink wink nudge nudge moment for me is when he says
"I had no history, and so I made myself one, much as a Nazi party might in a satellite suburb."

Leif Haven – 7:58 PM
it is called a novel after all that

jared harvey – 7:58 PM
an autobiographical novel cycle
it's interesting that in the book jacket of the paperback nearly all the reviews are from european countries/presses/newspapers etc.
and they all call it "literature"
as if it's obvious to them that this problematizes the notion of autobiography and fiction simultaneously and to such a degree that you can't really call it anything but

literature

Leif Haven – 8:00 PM
hell i'm calling this literature
jared harvey – 8:01 PM
aw hell

Leif Haven – 8:01 PM
maybe this is what we send carrie
it'll be real
we need more 
emojis
or gifs
or pictures of owls
or


jared harvey – 8:01 PM
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this video is like paradise
why don't i live here

Leif Haven – 8:03 PM
i was thinking. i never go to cool parties like this
"it problematizes the notion of gchat and communication to such a degree that none* is possible and you can only throw up your hands and say 'this is how we do it' and call it literature"

jared harvey – 8:05 PM
i second that emoji

Leif Haven – 8:06 PM
oh god

jared harvey – 8:06 PM
alright i'm going to make dinner and listen to this song for the rest of my life
wha happund

Leif Haven – 8:06 PM
the song that came on after that was blackstreat - no diggity
street

jared harvey – 8:07 PM
i guess by "for the rest of my life" i meant after i listen to "no diggity" for the rest of my life
because that is what has come for me as well
i feel i have been found
Queen Pen is a great name
that will be my queen pen name from now on

Leif Haven – 8:08 PM
we've really accomplished something
in this narrative

jared harvey – 8:09 PM
no diggity
no doubt